July 23, 2008 - 12:45pm

The walking man

SCOTTSDALE -- Jim Ogsbury knows how to walk neighborhoods. He doesn’t mess with marker caps anymore – “I got sick of fumbling with them,” he explains – now he’s got a retractable one to mark off houses on his walk sheet. He also uses it to knock on doors, joking he “must have permanent tissue damage in my knuckles” from all the doors he’s knocked. By his count, that’s now about 16,000.

Today he is taking his quest for the Republican nomination in the 5th Congressional District to a quiet Scottsdale street, rich in what Ogsbury terms “loyal Republican voters.” He plans to spend the afternoon, from 1:30 until dark, introducing himself to residents of house after house, chatting with the voters inside and putting campaign literature into their hands personally.

Congressional candidate Jim Ogsbury: Campaign photoCongressional candidate Jim Ogsbury: Campaign photo“Every day somebody will tell me, ‘this must be so grueling,’” Ogsbury told PolitickerAZ.com. He chose a short-sleeved green and white-striped shirt and navy slacks for his trek. The thermometer was pushing 110 degrees, and the only cooling off Ogsbury will have for a few hours will be from a water bottle and the air conditioning escaping Republican houses. “This is the part I love,” he said.

The part he doesn’t like is the money. “That’s that underbelly to politics,” he said. “That’s distasteful.”

Distasteful, but necessary.

In a six-way race, money can be the difference between getting your name and message out and having it swallowed up in the general static. Ogsbury won’t be able to outspend David Schweikert, the former Maricopa County treasurer and former Arizona House majority leader, who has amassed a war chest of over $500,000 -- the highest of any of U.S. Rep. Harry Mitchell’s would-be challengers in the 5th district, which takes in Scottsdale, Tempe and areas to the northeast of the Phoenix metro area. He doesn’t enjoy the name recognition of Laura Knaperek, the former state representative from Tempe who beat Schweikert in one poll that only included those two and Mitchell.

He isn’t out of the money hunt, though. As of the beginning of the third fundraising quarter, Ogsbury was second to Schweikert in funds, with $323,000 in the bank. He was also the first to hit the airwaves with a cable news ad buy, mainly on Fox News. Knocking doors is a cheap, if time intensive, way to get your face out there. He estimates he will knock on between 75 and 150 doors in an afternoon, which adds up to thousands over the life of a campaign.

It is precisely Ogsbury’s retail politics approach, spending a large part of his week in a door-to-door introduction campaign (he has never held elected office), that has many observers of the primary calling it a three-person race between Ogsbury, Schweikert and Susan Bitter Smith, a lobbyist for the Arizona New Mexico Cable Communications Association. She was the last entry, and brought $150,000 of her own money and deep-pocket fundraisers to the race. She ended the second quarter with just shy of $250,000.

'I got tired of yelling at my TV...'

Like Bitter Smith, Ogsbury has made his money primarily as a lobbyist. The Harvard and Arizona State University-educated attorney has represented clients such as the cities of Mesa, Chandler, Surprise and others, as well as the Nature Conservancy. In mid-2007, though, Ogsbury decided to hang up his lobbying spurs and hit the campaign trail.

“I got to the point in my career where it was time to shelve my business interests,” he explained to one potential Scottsdale voter. “I got tired of yelling at my TV.”

When he was yelling, it was usually over what he has dubbed “out of control government spending.” Economic conservatism is the message that comes in loudest and clearest in his talks with residents who open the door – which ends up being about one out of three, a good ratio for a weekday afternoon.

Ogsbury has his pitch down well after so much time on the trail. He hits the bullet points straight off.

“I distinguish myself by being a native Arizonan, and I have actual experience cutting government programs,” he says.

He rarely, if ever, mentions his lobbying activities, but speaks at length about his time as congressional staff director to the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Energy and Water Development. He was hired in the wake of the 1994 Republican wave and Ogsbury waxes fondly about the good old days of conservatism with his prospective constituency.

“Those were heady times, man,” he tells a balding senior who appears in shorts and slippers, asks him what his big issues are, and gets an excited spiel on government overspending. There was a time when a younger Jim Ogsbury, a newly minted congressional aide on Capitol Hill, bore witness to a principled conservative assault on bloated government, as the candidate tells it, an assault that succeeded in forcing a huge contraction in the federal budget.

However, the tale of the Republicans slaying Big Government always has the same sad ending when told by Ogsbury:

“It lasted a few years, then Republicans became the stewards of big government.”

Door after door, that line gets every listener nodding.

Ogsbury is good at engaging his contacts. He jokes about his unassuming appearance, relating the story of one child who announced Ogsbury’s presence to his parents by saying, “It’s just an old bald man in a suit.” (For the record, he’s 49).

He is candid about his biography, explaining his decision to enroll in law school at ASU “not out of a burning desire to practice, but to defer the real world as long as possible.”

He encounters relatively little reservation from the strangers opening their doors to him. Reactions to his pitch are mainly positive, the worst merely non-committal. He is speaking to a friendly crowd, after all. One man summed up the general sentiment toward the incumbent thus: “I know who’s not going to get my vote. That’s that asshole who’s up there right now.”

The candidate declined to agree with the characterization of Mitchell, but laughed along nonetheless.

Ogsbury is not positioning himself on the right flank in the 5th district primary. He calls himself a “constitutionalist,” which means his limited-government worldview does not include an amendment to the Constitution banning gay marriage. He thinks the largest part of solving the energy crisis should be met by building more nuclear power plants, and, while advocating a missile defense shield against Iran, emphasizes diplomacy over force.

The people who open their doors today don’t talk about that much. They want to know where he stands on immigration.

The immigration issue

As evidenced by Bitter Smith’s prominent use of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s endorsement, and the outspoken anti-illegal immigration stance of former U.S. Rep. J.D. Hayworth, who Mitchell upset in 2006 to take the seat, the 5th district Republican field seems well aware that many voters in the Sept. 2 primary will be casting their ballots largely on the basis of the candidates’ immigration views.

Here is an area Ogsbury may be vulnerable. As he explains to many a “loyal Republican” today, his immediate concern is securing the border – no more, no less.

“We’ve got to secure the border first,” he tells one woman. “It doesn’t make sense to do anything else if we don’t have the border under control.”

Ogsbury is emphatic on this point, even taking pains to explain that, while he is no fan of government spending, he thinks this is an issue where federal intervention is appropriate, and necessary.

“If it takes 20 to 30 billion dollars to secure the borders, that’s perfectly acceptable,” he says. “We’ve got to disaggregate this issue from the rest.”

The woman agrees, but presses him. “Then what?” she asks.

Ogsbury’s response -- “I’m not looking past border security” – does not seem to satisfy the woman, or several others with whom he speaks.

However, when not in front of a potential supporter, Ogsbury is frank about the “then what?” problem.

“There has to be some way for good people to become citizens,” he said. “The non-native workforce has got a role in the economy.”

When asked whether that can be construed as amnesty, the very whiff of which can send some conservatives into a frenzy, Ogsbury laughs uncomfortably.

“Amnesty is a loaded, loaded word,” he said. “It’s a matter of semantics.”

Connotative nuances aside, a path to citizenship is exactly what caused the conservative revolt against President Bush, U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Phoenix) and other Republicans when it was included in the failed immigration reform packages of 2005 and 2006. Ogsbury claims that he would support a “touch back” provision, requiring illegal immigrants to return to their home countries before re-applying for legal status.

He thinks the wrong thing to do is “create a patchwork of guest worker programs, employer sanction laws” and so on. He also recognizes that mass deportation is not a viable option, either, leaving some sort of forgiveness of lawbreaking the only alternative.

That may not be the only trouble spot for Ogsbury. He frequently mentions the balanced budget proposal he recently put out, which he claims would save Americans $1.37 trillion over five years. A number of citizens seem impressed with the idea of a candidate projecting that kind of command of the economy, and a few appreciative eyebrows are raised when he brings it up.

A close reading of the proposal, though, reveals a few holes. Many of the cuts would be from the federal workforce, which Ogsbury thinks should be reduced by five percent, or about 4,770 workers. It’s hard to imagine the affected agencies being willing to see their staffs reduced by such significant amounts, or their allies on the Hill going along with it – particularly when introduced by a freshman, as Ogsbury would be.

Also, while specific cuts are mentioned at the Department of Agriculture and other places, there is a chunk of discretionary spending cuts, totaling almost $700 billion over the five years of his plan that is not specified, other than to say it would come from reducing discretionary spending back to fiscal year 2000 levels. Those unnamed cuts represent 50 percent of his balanced budget plan.

The extent of the damage those questions will cause, if any, remains to be seen. The crowded primary is just getting into full swing, with over a month and a half left until a nominee is chosen in the district.

Until then, Ogsbury will be walking.

Comments

Politicker protecting Schweikert!


Politicker showed its true bias today when it removed its article on David Schweikert to protect his campaign from all the negative pieces of information that were brought light in comments by politicker’s intelligent readers.

They are trying to hide the facts from the people of Congressional District 5.
Facts like that he had to declare bankruptcy, that he was endorsed by the AFL-CIO, double charged people for property taxes as treasurer and many more. Just because someone points out that David gets a $300 hair cut at Sassoon is no reason to remove an article politicker.

07/25/08 1:26 pm

They are a great band. I


They are a great band. I love the fact they are from Mesa, AZ and represent us so well. Unfortunately this Jimmy will be eating crow in a month and a week.

07/25/08 12:52 am

I'm impressed


Jim Ogsbury is the only candidate in this race who has actually come by my house and talked about issues. His depth of knowledge on the fiscal and economic problems our country faces really impressed me. Knocking on 16,000 doors is incredibly impressive, and if Mr. Ogsbury is willing to work this hard to get my vote, I trust that he’ll work equally hard to represent us in Congress. Television ads and pretty signs are no substitute for experience, hard work, and an understanding of the issues. Jim’s getting my vote.

07/24/08 12:10 pm

I would worry about any person whose grasp of the


I would worry about any aspiring congressman who believes that Republicans (or for that matter Democrats) have ever instituted a "huge contraction in the federal budget".

07/24/08 11:30 am

Working hard


There is no substitute for this kind of face to face contact in a representative system. Ogsbury is hearing from voters directly and that will have a meaningful impact on the way he conducts himself in the job. No one else is working that hard in this race, including the incumbent. On that basis alone, Ogsbury is automatically a credible candidate. As for the immigration issue, I think Ogsbury is right. It seems as if certain folks define every method that results in non-native people achieving some form of legal status as amnesty. Amnesty is a very specific word and it was given in 1986. That is not what Kyl, McCain or Ogsbury is talking about doing today. Anyone who says otherwise is playing a game.

07/24/08 10:53 am

Since the Ogsbury campaign


Since the Ogsbury campaign is quick to try to backtrack on his immigration position, I wonder if they'll also backtrack on Ogsbury laughing when voters call his opponents foul words.

If Matt Derr does not wish to refute Evan Brown's reporting on this point it will only prove that Jim Ogsbury is the a**hole he appears to be in his divorce court records. Pulling an Alec Baldwin on your daughter is not cool.

07/24/08 12:28 am

This is just another


This is just another pro-Mitchell blog trying to promote Republican infighting with these salacious quotes. The point of this story is that while you or I might complain about the 110 degree heat walking from our air conditioned cars to our air conditioned houses Jim Ogsbury is out there meeting the residents of CD5. I checked out his website and it’s cut and dry on the immigration issue – right in line with every other GOP candidate in this race. He’s putting forth an extraordinary effort that warrants the benefit of the doubt.

07/23/08 10:21 pm

That is what he said


“Amnesty is a loaded, loaded word,” he said. “It’s a matter of semantics.”

Sounds like another Slick Willy Clinton to me.

07/23/08 9:34 pm

Just another lobbyist


Thats right folks, Jim is just another slick DC Lobbyist with a slick smile.

07/23/08 9:31 pm

The Fence is just a smoke screen to the real problem


If you really want to reduce the number of illegal immigrants and be fair to everyone there is only one solution but it is smoke screened by the YAWN obsession people have of saying 'Tighten up our borders' 'Secure our borders first' Blah Blah Blah its boring and its a smoke screen to the real reason why there is a problem and here is the solution to reducing the numbers of illegal aliens.

STOP! STOP! STOP! Screwing around with peoples legitimate applications when they are filed for green cards and visas, for example telling the son or daughter of an American citizen that they have to wait up to 30 years YES that's right up to 30 years for a visa is plain inhumane and would force anyone into becoming illegal.

The illegal numbers are littered with people that are torn between waiting in the dark for decades for an application to be processed while their families die away or just say to hell with it and overstay anyway.

Cut down the inhumane time frames for processing green cards and you will see the number of illegal aliens drastically drop..

Australia processing time frame for an answer = 3-6 months American processing time frame to actually get a card in the hand 10-30 years.

See the report link

http://linkspiders.com/laws411/pdf/ins_report.pdf

07/23/08 8:32 pm

Correction


As Jim Ogsbury’s campaign manager I feel that it is necessary to correct the account of Jim Ogsbury’s position on illegal immigration. Jim has said consistently, that, regardless of their motives or economic circumstances, those individuals who knowingly bypass our system for legal entry into this country should be regarded as lawbreakers and not as special guests entitled to free social services.

Jim does not support -- and has never supported -- citizenship for illegal aliens.

With respect to the ongoing problem of illegal immigration, Jim’s paramount priority would be to secure our southern border. Jim would disaggregate this element of the illegal immigration discussion from its other components – such as guest worker programs, pathways to citizenship and mass deportations – and focus on border security as an imperative requiring urgent and immediate congressional action.

While I disagree with some of the other minor inaccuracies in the article, I appreciate the reporter’s willingness to spend time getting to know the candidates in this race.

However, the record needs to be corrected on this matter. I would encourage people to visit our website, www.ogsburyforcongress.com, where you can read for yourself Jim’s position on border security and illegal immigration.

07/23/08 7:10 pm

Knock Knock...


This was a nice little feature PolitickerAZ on a quiet race. I actually had Mr. Ogsbury come to my door in Scottsdale and was extremely impressed with what he had to say and the way he handled himself. I had no idea he'd covered so much ground though! Good luck Jim, your effort gets my vote.

07/23/08 6:21 pm

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